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premium_steve 10 ( +1 | -1 )
Latvian Gambit I was wondering what black's best continuation is after the following set of moves:

1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,f5 3.exf5

thanks....
mikhail_tal 4 ( +1 | -1 )
Latvian Gambit 3...e4 I was white against this and got CRUSHED!!
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a_professional_idiot 23 ( +1 | -1 )
3exf5 I am almost sure that that is wrong. The only analyzed games I of that I have seen involved either 3.d3 or 3.Nxe5. I actually have a BIG BOOK OF UNORTHODOX OPENINGS somewhere, if only I could find it.
premium_steve 5 ( +1 | -1 )
sure! e4 looks like the right kind of move
zdrak 34 ( +1 | -1 )
No, 3.exf5 isn't wrong, it's a playable move, just as the other above-mentioned options. And yes, 3...e4 is the reply for black. Here's a nice sample game:

Nedela (2379) - Zvara (2356), 1999

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 f5
3. exf5 e4
4. Qe2 Qe7
5. Nd4 c5
6. Nb5 d5
7. N1c3 Nf6
8. g4 h6
9. d3 a6
10. dxe4 dxe4
11. Bf4 axb5
12. Nxb5 Na6
13. Nd6+ Qxd6
14. Bxd6 Bxd6
15. Rd1 Be5
16. Qb5+ Ke7
white is much better, and he eventually won (1-0, 34 moves)
caldazar 15 ( +1 | -1 )
You can also play 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5 e4 as a King's Gambit Accepted in reverse with something like 4. Ne5 Nf6 5. Be2, intending Bh5+ with a good game for White.
bigmick 40 ( +1 | -1 )
I've created An opening report from a 687,000 game database for you to study. It can be found at:

www.beastie.co.uk/chess/reports/latvian_gambit_full_report.html

My apologies about the missing images, but for some reason they failed to generate.

--
bigmick
soikins 20 ( +1 | -1 )
Hello! If U are really interested, I'll look at original Behtins analysis on this one. I don't play Latvian Gambit myself, but as I'm from Latvia, I know some strong experts who use it quite often, so I can ask them too.
a_professional_idiot 9 ( +1 | -1 )
3. Nxe5 Just picked up a whole wad of LG games and all white wins were with 3.Nxe5
soikins 42 ( +1 | -1 )
Nxe5 is the best after exf comes e4. Black can take center with d5 (Behtins (author of the gambit) prefered d6 with later d5) and c6. Black is not afraid of h5 check and moves his king to e7. Whites attack with Nc3-Nd5-Nf7 doesn't seem too impresive. They can, of course, take the rook, but the knight is also doomed. It is a sharp variation, that I wouldn't play by nither side.
Anyway, Nxe5 is considered to be the best for white.
cheesemuffin 1 ( +1 | -1 )
3. Bc4 is interesting
desertfox 94 ( +1 | -1 )
Latvian Gambit There is a world championship in which players play the Latvian Gambit both with white and with black. The man behind the idea is John Elburg from Holland.
We played a correspondence game in which I was white and he played the Latvian as black. It ended in a draw. It is a risky gambit. You better play it only against those who are not strong players.
You could contact John Elburg for information about the Latvian. His e-mail address is:
Elburg@consunet.nl. Those of you who know French can go to your search engine and write Gambit Letton, you will get part 1 and part 2 of an interesting article with the Latvian Gambit.
From my personal experience, I always got a good game playing the Latvian with black, but later in the game, lost my draw+ position, and lost the game. I decided to abandon that gambit as unsound for black. I prefer to have the white pieces.

Desertfox
werwolf 30 ( +1 | -1 )
Nimzovich's line is the best ! The best variant against the Latvian Gambit is following line 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Nxe5 Qf6 4.d4 d6 5.Nc4 Qf6 6.Ne3! all moves before was obligatory for black (white could chose) and now black has 2 chances 6...c67.Bc4! d5 8.Bb3 with following c4 and better game for white or 6...Nc6 7.c3! Other strong line for white is 6.Be2! with positional atvantage for white.
gm_stefan 39 ( +1 | -1 )
latvian gambit ---> "Message:
You can also play 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5 e4 as a King's Gambit Accepted in reverse with something like 4. Ne5 Nf6 5. Be2, intending Bh5+ with a good game for White. "

5. Be2 d5 !
6. Bh5+

Bh5+ is ok
( but after Ke7, Nf7 Qe8, Nxh8 Qxh5, Qxh5 Sxh5, g4 Sf6... it is a better position for black )

Something like
6. ... Ke7
7. d3 is a strong move against the black position
(following ... Bxf5 8. Bg5... )


I think the best way against the latvian gambit is d4 ! or even Lc4...





tulkos 14 ( +1 | -1 )
here is another thread on this subject, gameknot.com/fmsg/chess/1898.shtml
nimzoredivivus 27 ( +1 | -1 )
I play the Latvian alot and 3 ef is an okay move for white but conservative.
Black's most common replies are e4 or d6, although
he has tried about everything.

I recommend playing the Latvian but it is risky. I did
not have a loss in about a dozen games until
keiserpaul did me the honor. Still I like it alot.
loreta 18 ( +1 | -1 )
And another also... Near to that topic is also:
gameknot.com/fmsg/chess/1928.shtml
loreta 14 ( +1 | -1 )
One more line... To werwolf:
What do you think about position when White takes a e-pawn:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3.Nxe5 Qf6 4.d4 d6 5.Nc4 Qf6 6.Ne3! c6 7. Nxe4?
I mean a position after 7. ... d5 8.Ng5 Qf6 9. Nf3...
werwolf 4 ( +1 | -1 )
loreta 7.NXe4 is OxE4 Queen is standing on g6.
werwolf 11 ( +1 | -1 )
gm_stefan on 5.Be2 black can play d6 6.Bh5+ Ke7 7Nf7 Qe8 8. Nxh8 Qxh5 is playable for black. Other line is 5...Bez which is playable too.
loreta 20 ( +1 | -1 )
Again wrong... Uf... werwolf - You made mistake in line (5. ...Qf6 is impossible) and I simply copied it thinking about different line (without d4). My question was about:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Qf6 4. Nc4 fxe4 5.Ne3! c6 6. Nxe4?
I mean a position after 6. ... d5 7.Ng5 Qf6 8. Nf3...
werwolf 9 ( +1 | -1 )
So 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3.Nxe5 Qf6 4.Nc4 fxe4 you apparetly mean't 5.Nc3 (not Ne3hor you're written) but then the best move is Qf7!
loreta 8 ( +1 | -1 )
yep again I skipped out all move... :-(
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Qf6 4. Nc4 fxe4 5. Nc3 Qf7 6.Ne3! c6 7. Nxe4?
I mean a position after 7. ... d5 8.Ng5 Qf6 9. Nf3...
gm_stefan 27 ( +1 | -1 )
werwolf "Message:
on 5.Be2 black can play d6 6.Bh5+ Ke7 7Nf7 Qe8 8. Nxh8 Qxh5 is playable for black. Other line is 5...Bez which is playable too. "

5. ... d6 is not as good as d5 !
because you loose a move against the move d5 after Sf7 Ke7 Sxh8 ....

it's theory ! ;-)

I have enough books about it ;-p

p.s. werwolf are you german ??
werwolf 6 ( +1 | -1 )
loreta In that positoon black has a sufficient compensation for the pawn.
loreta 44 ( +1 | -1 )
Just state ... :-( But, statistically (as some likes), White wins more of then ;-)
As common, I agree with werwolf about LG evaluation (long obligatory lines for black and so) but ...
... to continue on statistical note - this year I played about 50 chess games and about 10 of them were LG. No any loose at all (all been won)... Anyway, I don't risk with it against strong players... ;-)
.
And if to touch memory records... I've once played LG against G.Kasparow :-)
werwolf 4 ( +1 | -1 )
gm_stefan on 5....d5 6.Bh5+ Ke7 7.d3! gives white a large advatnage
mercy 33 ( +1 | -1 )
Risky but best in OTB I have played the Latvian Gambit for years in OTB play. My best friend has played even longer. I would reccomend it to anyone who considers themselves a risk taker, attacker, tactician, or just plain aggressive.

I have had the hardest times against 3.exf in OTB. I do not believe I have faced that yet here on GK.

-Doris
werwolf 25 ( +1 | -1 )
The main problem The main problem of the Latvian gambit is : If white knows theory then they are able to make safe position with slightly positional advatnage. I' can burn down everyone who will play that opening against me in GK.
loreta 12 ( +1 | -1 )
:-) It could be, it could ... :-)
werforf wrote:" I can burn down everyone who will play that opening against me in GK"
mercy 56 ( +1 | -1 )
Oh, OK That's funny, so if Cyrano , Cairo , or Felixmizsta played the Latvian against you, you can beat them? 10 out of 10 games?

Well, I am not in the top 10 like these guys, but I'm willing to play the Latvian against you. I'm not saying I will beat you, but I sure will try.

So, let me know if your willing to accept the challenge. I hope you stand behind your statement.

Doris
werwolf 13 ( +1 | -1 )
Not in all games but in most I' defeat them not in all games but in most and i'wont lose anyone. OK mercy - when i'll got free games then i'll challenge you
werwolf 13 ( +1 | -1 )
Not in all games but in most I' defeat them not in all games but in most and i'wont lose anyone. OK mercy - when i'll got free games then i'll challenge you
mercy 75 ( +1 | -1 )
Okie Dokey Yes, Thank you. When you are ready, please send me a challenge. I love playing the Latvian Gambit. Despite me not agreeing with your statement that you will not lose to anyone... I must say that I agree with what you said in an earlier post...

"If White knows theory then they are able to make safe position with slightly positional advantage".
-werwolf

I agree, that is why I do not play it too often in internet chess where white does not need to know theory, he has all the time in the world to read and study whatever book he wants about the gambit, avoiding all the "bad" moves and choosing all the "right" moves.

;-Doris
loreta 31 ( +1 | -1 )
Blades of razor I entered to GK playing 5 LGs (in last games, sadly, i prefered another openings). I could share my opinion about LG: I feel like going on blades of razor. Anyway, I'd suggest my opponent feels the same :-) I played on GK 3 games against King gambit - and I could say but I hadn't the similar feeling.